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From:  shan lung <shanlung9@y...>
Date:  Sat Nov 8, 2003  1:50 am
Subject:  Parrot on shoulder - being gentle

Folks, hello again!

I am back later than I wanted and trying to write this email a 2nd time courtesy of Bill Gates and  his Windoze which crashed my PC just as I was about to press the send button.


I am   unable to answer all directly as I seem to be perpertually
running   short on time. It is after midnight here and I got
to   get up early to go for yet another of our trips,
this   time to a place called   SuanLinSee that's about 20 km from
Hsitou   that I have been to 4-5   times. Then this guy told me why
was   I mucking with Hsitou when   SuanLinSee is much more awesome.

This   coming trip may be the last of the photo shoot of
Tinkerbell as my dear wife after just coming back from   San Diego
will   be heading off this   monday to UK, of course, leaving me
behind to make the money to pay for her trip and to   clean and
slave for the beasties all on my own for the next 4   weeks.

While   I am happy that folks seem to find what I wrote
to   be useful,I am concerned that   while words may convey
information,   the samewords can also   mislead.

I do   not advocate you allow your fid to be on
shoulder.   I try to list out behaviours   that you can take into account FOR
YOU   TO DECIDE IF THEY CAN BE   ALLOWED TO BE ON YOUR SHOULDER. I do
not   even speak for CAGs not to   mention of bigger and more powerful
fids   like 2s. I speak of  Tinkerbell. If you   are in doubt, DO NOT ALLOW THEM
TO   BE  WHERETHEY CAN HURT YOU.

Considering   that your fid and you will likely be
spending   a lifetime together, does it   matter if you do take a week , or a
month,   or two months longer to   establish a good relationship?

I   wrote out what I thought to be point by point. To
keep   that brief,I had to leave out   other steps. So if you form the
impression   the process is quick that   can be dangerous to yourself.


So   Kimberly, please be patient especially with your M2
Corky.

Physical   injury to yourself may heal fast. Healing
for   your mental state of mind   may never heal completely if you
want   to rush the process and end up fearing your charge.

Tinkerbell   came to me via a petshop when she was about
6   months old.  She barely allow me to   head rub her at the beginning.
When   she did, I used the head-rubbing exercises to slowly extend my
fingers   at the same time to rub her wings and back and slowly her
legs   and body as well. Her liking for head rubs lead her to slowly
allow   other parts of her to be touched until the point that she
did   not mind that at all. Teaching of 'gentleness' came only after
that.

Clicker   training was a daily affair with her to slowly
develop   the bond. That all took time, longer time than what you
may   have inferred from my earlier letter.

So   please look at the long term and enjoy your fids
whenever   you spend time with them.








---   In
Bird-Click@yahoogroups.com,   shan lung
   shanlung9@y...&gt;   wrote:
    I count myself very fortunate to have Tinkerbell.

   You can see often enough from the photos that I allow
   her to be on my shoulders. To avoid misunderstanding,
  I need to clarify further why I do allow her there.

   Whether on not you allow your charge to be on your
   shoulders is something very personal as the danger to
   yourself is very real. You must never allow yourself
    to be badly hurt.

    Obviously, if you need a hand help perch to get your
    fid to step up on, that fid definately should never be
  allowed on your shoulder.

   If your fid does not recognise and immediately respond
   on 'step up' to your hand and 'step up' from hand to
   perches, he/she should not be allowed on shoulder
   either.

     If your fid cannot be headrubbed or beakrubbed by you,
    that fid must also stay off your shoulder.

   Imho, that even if they do all the above, that will
   not be enough grounds for them to be on the shoulder.

   It is not enough that you 'trust' them and they
    'trust' you that they be allowed on shoulder either.
  Trust may be misplaced.

   The concept of gentleness also must be taught to them
    and they must understand the word ' gentle' and
  'gently' and act on that immediately. Only then, you
   can consider if they can be allowed on your shoulders.

    It was from clicker training that I developed the
   strong bond with Tinkerbell.

   She first allowed head rubs and later on, came and
   demand head rubs on her own initiative.

    While giving her head rubs or beak rubs, I also
    introduced to her the concept of gentleness. I give
    her vigorous head rubs. From time to time, while head
  rubbing her, I will say ' gentle, gentle' or 'gently'.
   At those times, I run my finger very delicately with
   the finger tip barely touching her feathers or beak.

    I sometimes even use one of her molted feather to
    barely touch her feathers to gently stroke her.

   Some of the games she plays with me can be very
    vigorous. While she never hurt me, during those
   times, she may beak me hard. At 'gentle, gentle' cue
   from me, she eases up immediately. A few bouts of
    cage time for her reinforced to her that gentleness is
   important if she wants to remain with me.

    She also loves to give me manicure, nibbling on the
   cuticle and biting harder on the nails and sometimes
  digging her beak into the quick under the nails.
   Tinkerbell always eases up when I tell her 'gentle
  gentle'. This was only at the beginning as since
    then, she knows where and when she can exert pressure
   and when to let up.

    When she got to my shoulder, she beak my ear lobe. It
    got to the stage now where she may dig the tip of her
    beak into my ear to nibble. Again, 'gently gently'
   cued her to be more gentle that she knows and respond
   to at once.
&gt;
&gt;   Even so, every morning/evening when she gets her head
&gt;   rubs, I still will do to her the 'gentle' routine
&gt;   because she likes it and I like to reinforce that with
&gt;   her.
&gt;
&gt;   Unfortunately, it works only with me and my person.
&gt;   She will ignore all the 'gentle gentle' when she want
&gt;   to tear the buttons off my shirt. After her first
&gt;   refusal to listen to me, I stopped using 'gentle
&gt;   gentle' when she want to tear off the buttons to avoid
&gt;   giving her any further chance to lessen the value. I
&gt;   tell her instead 'no buttons' and push her head away.
&gt;
&gt;   If Bim or Zor gets too near me and I see her walking
&gt;   with determination to them, I do not bother with
&gt;   'gentle gentle' but tell Bimbo or Zorro to go away. I
&gt;   do not want to take the chance that the other two get
   hurt.

   I focused on 'gentle gentle' only with regards to my
    body and on other people.



=====
With   warmest regards

Shanlung
Joy   - wife, Tinkerbell - CAG &amp; surrogate daughter

earlier   emails and photo links on Tink -

http://www.geocities.com/shanlung9